Alfa failed its mot
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@c600d5f559=daniel:
i tried the safety thing on that one but i wasnt allowed it either. i think the GR has 180bhp std and the mivec was 200bhp. still some serious figures from a stock 2.0 V6. ford could barely manage that with a 2.5 V6 (duratec st200) which was several years newer than the first run of FTO's. in fact i dont know many cars that can bragg 200hp from a 2.0 engine, possibly the type R boys but not many.
**It's just revs - torque * revs = power. The problem with the Mitsubishi six is that it is running pretty much at the limit of what can be achieved from it, whereas the K V6s are well within themselves - oversquare to keep them revvy, huge rod/stroke ratio for reliability and no overlap making them ideal for forced induction. There's a guy in the US running a stock KL block and crank in a twin turbo drag car. 1000hp, from the stock block and crank!
Nail together a KL/KF/K8 hybrid and you could see upwards of 250hp from 2.2 litres at 9.5krpm on stock bits (bored slightly) - and it'd sound absolutely nucking futs (and then you could blow it for twice that)… The 6A12 2.0 MIVEC from the FTO is already on its limit at 200hp and there's no other route beyond blowing it for more - by which point you're having to look at forged bits that cost the Earth - and the relatively large overlap makes this less effective than in the K.
We're out of the land of stock vs. stock at that point, but there's always an MX-6 ZE to bring to the party - 200hp at 6500 and 175lbft at 3500 vs 200hp at 7500 and 145lbft at 6500... There's only one winner there and it doesn't have trick cams...**
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@1a54bca64f=daniel:
in fact i dont know many cars that can bragg 200hp from a 2.0 engine, possibly the type R boys but not many.
200bhp from a klze isnt bad thats before you start adding bolt-ons or better mapping, both which if done correctly should bring you to the 250bhp mark. Although i hate to agree honda are good :shock:
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sorry jesta yeah i meant 180 degree lol. long day…
i would love to get another "toy" and KLDE it. I know the ZE is more powerful etc but i think that, for me, i would end up dead if i was to do that. i find it quite hard to back down from a challenge on the roads ;) 170hp would be plenty for me in an mx-3
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@4994899157=daniel:
i would love to get another "toy" and KLDE it. I know the ZE is more powerful etc but i think that, for me, i would end up dead if i was to do that. i find it quite hard to back down from a challenge on the roads ;) 170hp would be plenty for me in an mx-3
Likewise, think I read that the DE is an easier swap than the ZE anyway?
For me atleast it seems fruitless, for the money, sourcing, effort, time, problems, troubleshooting, fixing that goes into the KLZE builds, youd be better off just buying a more powerful as standard car, the KLZE mods alone would cost you more than a whole MX3 V6
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I totally agree, you could buy a ford probe or mx6 uk spec for about £500-£600 swap the engines over and sell the probe or mx6 for £500-£600 lol. all you would pay for would be labour
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even if you brought an mot failure or write off mx6/probe, the engine should still be good, buy for £2-300, get what you need, then scrap it and get £100 for it.
Its not something Im going to even look into tbh, there are newer, more econimical and yet more powerful cars around, finding a nice styled one is the hardest part, imo the 90's vehicles where the best of style and uniqueness, few cars come with a v6 lump nowadays, I dont even know of any, theres the odd inline 5 or 6, a few v8's but thats about it, of the 90's youve got the MR2 mk2, Scoobaru Impreza, Skyline, Supra, Evo, Celica, Calibra, Omega, MX6, Probe (dont like this car but it isnt a run of the mill car) 350z, FTO, GTO, RX7, 200sx, CRX, and of course the MX3, a whole bunch of undoubtedly cool, unique, stylish and powerful cars. What have we got from 2000 onwards? Theres the odd revamp or update, such as the impreza, but what else? Nothing, sadly most manufacturers have given up on the sports car for the common man, or trying to push the limits of technology of the time to create something unique and awesome and are now just doing your VERY average family/commuter car.
Whod have though that a decade later, the minds behind the Supra, MR2 and the Celica would be churning out Yaris's? Mazda is atleast just staying shy of the same tar brush by having the RX8, but thats not more than a stones throw from the RX7, which was done in the 90's. With this decades worth of cars, Im sorely disappointed, there just isnt anything for a person on a normal wage to aspire to own,. All in all its been a good decade to start a family, cos theres been fk all else to save your money for.
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Jesta are you forgetting the Mazda 3 and 6 both come with a MPS edition fella putting out 260 bhp and very nicely styled may i add…
a mazda 3mps can be had for as little as 5k now...
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need to find out about this mps, if its not awesome then it doesnt count :P
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ok just found that, ok thats pretty tasty, was at the point of thinking Id get one in a few years, then I checked the tax band. £445 a year, nearly fell off my chair!
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@35216e713c=Jesta:
ok just found that, ok thats pretty tasty, was at the point of thinking Id get one in a few years, then I checked the tax band. £445 a year, nearly fell off my chair!
yep the only drawback i could see too..
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@74e2a0271b=Jesta:
ok just found that, ok thats pretty tasty, was at the point of thinking Id get one in a few years, then I checked the tax band. £445 a year, nearly fell off my chair!
Ill stick to older cars thank you very much haha
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how on earth are they expecting people to buy that? I mean come on now, thats just ridiculous! I guess it aint mazdas fault, more the government, but thats just stupidly priced, I thought the £200 my car costs was pricey lol
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£200 is cheap jesta. The new range rover V8 petrol… be ready for this....
£900 for the first years tax! Then it goes down to the more managable £445. so, olets say you have just bought one, you then have to get to the post office and fork out another £900 just to drive it anywhere. that is sick!
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If you can afford to buy a brand new V8 range rover, you can afford to pay £900 to tax it!!
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well yeah, but even so, thats far too much either way, i know that its in good cause, it forces people to consider cars that are more environment friendly, but there has to be a limit of normality, whats with the first year thing anyway, surely that makes no sense?
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Normally when you buy a new car its 'on the road price' so the dealer will pay the road tax, probably double so the government can make as much money as possible, any excuse
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pay enough in fuel tax, youd think theyd just get rid of road tax with the amount of money they rake in from petrol
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They cannot get rid of road tax, it pays for the dvla and its the only way to keep check on who owns what annually, you get rid of tax you get rid of people registering it in their name
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@7e166b3b0c=djmarcopolo:
They cannot get rid of road tax, it pays for the dvla
**Not true since the 1960s. Road tax was originally ring-fenced for motoring purposes, but taxation was homogenised - all tax goes into the Treasury and all things funded by tax are paid out by the Treasury.
Council tax is the exception, but this is charged by local councils and not by the Treasury.**
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@eda89f79db=Famine:
@eda89f79db=djmarcopolo:
They cannot get rid of road tax, it pays for the dvla
Council tax is the exception, but this is charged by local councils and not by the Treasury.
Another fascinating fact about council tax is that over 40% of what you pay each month goes to paying pensions for public sector workers :evil: :evil: